Dimming LEDs relative to ambient light circuit help?

Hi all, I'm just getting into lighting circuits which are more involved than led, resistor, battery. I need to build an LED circuit using 9v input, operating 20 LEDs (forward voltage 3.2v, 20mA) at 60% brightness at low light levels, and ramps up to full power at higher light levels (IE sunlight). I was thinking this might be possible with a phototransistor alongside the LED loop but could really use a schematic for what other components are necessary, the order to assemble them, and what I need to be careful of as far as variables in component selection. If you're an expert and can't help with a circuit sketch I'd still love to hear any ideas or tips.

It doesn't seem to be a very standard assembly and piecing together circuits from similar tutorials doesn't seem like its going to get me anywhere fast with my currently limited understanding of the gritty details. I really appreciate any help.

by logan74k
October 21, 2017

I'd use pwm (pulse width modulation) because this runs the leds at constant current and is really linear down to very low pulse widths. You could have two photo sensors, one looking at daylight and one looking at a led, and integrate the difference to control the pulse width.

by mikerogerswsm
October 21, 2017

Thanks. One issue is I need the whole circuit to fit in essentially a 1x1x.25 inch space (except the LEDS of course)

Also, I'd still need somebody with excellent knowledge to show me what that circuit would look like, not to mention the coding it requires.

I'm hoping it can be done low-tech for expediency considering the extra front end work with a controller.

by logan74k
October 22, 2017

I would suggest with this space limitation you need to consider switching between a small number of light levels. If you use a photo-transistor and resistor to sense the ambient light level, and a dual comparator to switch up the led current, then you have three levels of brightness. You need a couple of trimpots to set the switching levels and a couple of fets to drive the heavy currents.

by mikerogerswsm
October 22, 2017
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Answer by logan74k

Well, it sounds like a good idea!

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by logan74k
October 22, 2017
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Answer by mikerogerswsm

Ok,here's a very rough schematic, please note that all parameters are guesswork at this stage, you will need to work them out by calculation or experimentation. https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/#?id=fk2s5mbfwup5 I'd suggest you connect your leds in ten parallel columns of two in series, represented here by a single led. I read you as new to electronics, so you may need some help with practical matters like soldering. Try to contact a local person like a radio ham for advice and help.

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by mikerogerswsm
October 23, 2017

Depending which comparators you choose to use, you may need to add a 10k pull-up from each output to supply. Also about 1 Megohm positive feedback from each output to + input.

by mikerogerswsm
October 23, 2017

The positive feedback resistor could go from each FET drain to the - input of the associated comparator. This produces better defined backlash. Still use about 1 Meg.

by mikerogerswsm
October 24, 2017

But I really think pwm is a good way to go. Here's a man explaining how to do it. You need to add a front end (photo device and resistor) and a back end (fet and current limiting resistor) to drive your diodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmPziPfaByw and https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pwm

by mikerogerswsm
October 25, 2017
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